Annual Meeting: Putting it all on the table

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Ken Camp at The Baptist Standard is reporting that the Committee on Convention Business is going to ask Annual Meeting messengers in Houston to consider a “committee be created to study ‘changes to the BGCT annual meeting that would enhance interest and participation from a broader spectrum of participating churches.'”

The proposal calls for the committee to report to messengers at the 2010 Annual Meeting in McAllen. Throughout the 1990s, an average of nearly 6,000 messengers attended the BGCT Annual Meeting, with a record high of 11,159 messengers attending the 1991, when they voted on a controversial Baylor University charter change.

The 2008 Annual Meeting saw 1,891 messengers, the lowest number since 1949. Less than 3,000 messengers have attended the Annual Meeting every year after 2002.

Paul Kensley, pastor of Grace Fellowship Church in Lampasas and member of the COCB initiated the motion.

“We’d like to see everything on the table — when the meeting is scheduled, where it is held and what it looks like,” he said in the Standard article.

I know Annual Meeting attendance has been batted around quite a bit in the blogosphere, but if indeed everything is going to be put on the table, what would you do with the meeting? When do you have the meeting? Where do you have it? How do you have it? What do you do during it?

If you go to the meeting, I’d like to hear from you on this. But if you don’t go to the Annual Meeting, I’d really like to hear from you. Obviously, if increased attendance is what the committee is seeking, the input of people who don’t go should play a major role in decisions.

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28 Responses to “Annual Meeting: Putting it all on the table”

  1. wackypreacher Says:

    I say it is about time. We have to review why the attendance is down and be brutally honest about it. Gas prices have not helped matters. Hotel and meals adds to the pain of going. Most of the convention events are held in places that are high cost to get to and stay in.
    But it could be that the average Texas Baptist find it not worth the time or energy. Maybe the model is not meeting the needs of a younger generation. I will be praying for the committee as they take a hard look at the numbers and what can be done.

  2. David Troublefield Says:

    333 N. Washington means nothing to the average member of the average congregation affiliated with the BGCT (or the SBTC, or the BGCO, or etc.)–so why would many of them be expected to attend something as labor/finance/time-intensive as an annual meeting?

    Until the meaning of convention/association affiliation becomes important again–and for God-honoring reasons, not fusses and fights–it really might be that little more should be expected. It seems that affiliation won’t become more meaningful until local churches get back on-mission with God in intentional, strategic, relevant ways about which their members are excited realizing we need each other to accomplish the big things the Lord has led us to; that getting-informed and getting-excited part primarily is on the many senior pastors among us, but the BGCT’s paid staff can help them with this (and ought to continually–it really is the first job of each one of them every day).

    Otherwise, the convention must meet annually for corporation reasons; that meeting can be short–only a few hours long at most. And it really doesn’t matter if many attend a meeting like that (almost none of us knows the trustees elected to serve in any BGCT committee or agency capacity anyway, and we never hear anything from a single one of them either year after year).

    Two cents. See you in Houston on November 16-17!

  3. Tim Dahl Says:

    My people don’t attend because they have no desire to take vacation days (Monday and Tuesday), for what amounts to a giant business meeting. Understand, the state convention really has little to do with our church, so the average person (in my church) doesn’t see the relevance to attending.

    We can try to articulate “why” the convention is important, but that may even be a backlash. It wasn’t so many years ago that we tried to sell off our hospitals. Our institutions of higher learning are pretty well priced out of my member’s range. The way “ministry” is articulated seems outdated (ok, that is just me. My people don’t care what the convention says one way or the other), and better resources can be found. Oh, and yes; it is dang expensive to go to an annual meeting. Maybe not for full time preachers, who’s church foots the bill, but for the regular person in the pew.

    Couple that with an inherent mistrust of institutions (at least from the majority of genXers and younger), it adds up to a declining annual meeting…and institution as a whole.

  4. David Troublefield Says:

    Tim:

    Knowing that leaders can’t merely be into diagnosis, but also must be into prescription, what’s the medicine for making things (even) better among us in the BGCT? To have no solution is not leadership; so, the discussion cannot stop here. Please advise.

    Thanks!

  5. Tim Dahl Says:

    David:

    What’s good for the goose, is good for the gander. Please advise.

    Be Well,

    Tim

  6. David Troublefield Says:

    Tim:

    How about to start: “Hey, BGCT leadership: don’t leave out the three guys who are the only ones blogging with you about this matter this week!” (Tim, Wackypreacher, and David) Would you be willing to serve in a leader role to help set the course or a new course for the convention? Talking is one thing; doing is another.

  7. Tim Dahl Says:

    David T:

    I’m afraid that you missed the point of my reply. You failed to mention any “prescription” in your comment…the one right before mine. I would have to read the original post again, but I’m pretty sure he was asking about percieved problems, with the forthcoming committee being the one tasked for finding answers. I’ve little enough time/energy to spend on solving the problems with the convention, since my church is included in that %70 of churches out there qualifying as “small” and “plateaued/dying.”

    Secondly, I seriously doubt I’ll be asked to be on any boards. I’ve already been blackballed for being too close to Rick Davis. He’s a wonderful friend of mine, and a true man of God. I would never give that relationship up to be on some board.

    Thirdly, I didn’t blog about it this week. Instead, I blogged about a wonderful member of my church that happens to be a WWII Veteran. He landed on Omaha Beach, served in the WWII version of the Special Forces, and was a guard at the Nuremberg trials. My thesis was/is that giants walk among us, and we are unaware. Spending time with him trumps convention business any day of the week.

    Now, for a (partial) prescription, per your request: “Hey, BGCT Leadership, how about setting up relationships with networks already doing a great job out there, instead of trying to reinvent the wheel! As in, start two specific relationships in regards to church planting. 1) with Glocalnet. It actually got started by one of our churches. Don’t miss out on this. 2) try the Acts 29 Network. This would especially be beneficial for our more Calvinist brethren. It is a theologically Reformed network, intentionally.

    Our church planting endeavors have been dismal, overall. So, join with a network that is actually producing positive results!”

    How was that? Good? Maybe not. Too many “!”.

    Be Well,

    Tim

  8. David Troublefield Says:

    Tim:

    Thanks for your reply. I’m not trying to give you are hard time—or to let a very capable guy get away!

    A more diverse team is a smarter team; anybody who knows anything about teams and teamwork knows that. So, to have you, Rick Davis, David Montoya, et al, involved and offering reasonable input to real problems is a great idea (key word: reasonable; a good one for me, too). Again, anyone who doesn’t agree with that also doesn’t know teams or teamwork. Period.

    I was on the committee for convention business a couple of years ago and offered some insights that I thought were helpful—and so did the committee. I resigned from the committee before the convention that year because of internal stuff obviously taking place within the paid staff at that time; I miss the brain-storming interaction with other people passionate for Christ and the great things He Himself already has started among us (I defy anyone to deny that!)—but I don’t miss the lame-brain things that were going on.

    None of us is any busier than any of the rest of us—or any more tired, or any more frustrated, or any more anything. We get to contribute, in God’s kingdom, not take away from the team. I don’t know the extent to which your suggestions already have been given consideration; I’d be surprised if that haven’t been seriously studied, though—without asking—I might not ever know. But again, when I want to know something from the staff, I ask them.

    Best wishes to your congregation—which, in my humble opinion, doesn’t at all have to remain either a small or plateaued one (unless people are moving out of your area in huge numbers). And, congrats for knowing a man as wonderful as the one you describe above (my grandfather was injured during the invasion of Normandy, when my dad was only 11 years old; my dad and his older sister took care of that granddad and my grandmom for quite a while on their farm after that; WWII had LOTS of heros, of ALL ages).

    Hang in there, brother. Revelation 22

  9. John Says:

    Yesterday I decided I wanted to give this conversation a bit more time to develop before I chimed in a little. I won’t bother commenting on everything. I don’t think many people are interested in that. But here are a few scattered words.

    Wacky, David and Tim, I want to first thank you for what you have said here. These clearly are more than superficial thoughts, but the words of people seeking something better from the convention. I think the convention is better because of each of your words here. I don’t forward every comment made in this space up the chain of command, but when important matters are discussed, I can tell you convention staff members are listening to you. I also can tell you people across the state are reading the words you post here from time to time. Though many of them have not commented here, I know they are reading. Your words have some influence that way.

    I think pointing out problems is important, and it takes leadership skills to do that at points. Then leaders guide groups beyond the problems to solutions. To me, all three of you have shown leadership abilities in your comments on this blog.

    As for being a part of this possible committee, I think all three of you are eligible to be members, no matter who your friends may or may not be. If you aren’t part of the committee, I would hope the committee members are open to your input and the input of all Texas Baptists.

  10. David Troublefield Says:

    On church-starting thing mentione above . . .

    Most recent I could find:

    1. “. . . NAMB’s Harris also released the top 10 states for Annie Armstrong donations in 2008: 1. North Carolina, $6.08 million; 2. Alabama, $5.85 million; 3. Georgia, $5.1 million; 4. Texas (BGCT), $4.7 million; 5. Tennessee, $4.06 million; 6. South Carolina, $3.9 million; 7. Mississippi, $3.8 million; 8. Florida, $2.9 million; 9. Texas (SBTC), $2.5 million; and 10. Louisiana, $2.2 million . . .” (from:
    http://www.namb.net/site/c.9qKILUOzEpH/b.569813/apps/s/content.asp?ct=7165567);

    2. “. . . NAMB’s church planting group presented the following awards: most new church plants (205), Baptist General Convention of Texas; . . .” (in 2007; from: http://www.namb.net/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=9qKILUOzEpH&b=227361&ct=4265709)

    Maybe it’s not “setting the world on fire,” but unless somebody else has a much more effective strategic plan, I like the BGCT’s best! Gather feedback, prayerfully fine-tune the approach, and go together as a convention back into the fray with a single purpose: to lead people to the Lord. Nothing wrong with that (unless somebody’s a perpetual pessimist)!

  11. David Troublefield Says:

    John:

    Thanks for your kind words above.

    I personally think the convention’s paid staff and elected trustees need guys like Wacky, Tim, and me more than we need the convention as a formal organization. Example: when the listening sessions meant to lead to hiring the BGCT’s current Executive Director were being organized and their locations published, I learned there was no such meeting scheduled for anywhere near Wichita Falls. So I offered to host a session on the campus of the congregation I serve here, made the connections with BGCT staff and area pastors, and even offered to buy ice cream for ones who attended in order to give their input. I met with the committee’s chair, who was the leader of the session eventually assigned to us, and ate supper with him. I welcomed the folks who attended that night in Wichita Falls (a smallish turn out, but as many as in the DFW area I was told!), and did happily pay for the ice cream of almost everyone who attended afterwards (a couple couldn’t stay). Probably, others did something similar at that time—and since—but we seldom hear about it or from them, for whatever the reason.

    As I mentioned above, when I want to communicate with paid staff of the BGCT, I do it directly. I’ve done so in regard to the convention’s current status and its future, and the staff member/s I’ve shared that info with expressed appreciation for it. NOBODY likes a know-it-all, and almost no one can come across like one of those like a Texan/Texas Baptists can (cf. previous blogs of many bloggers!), but if we’ll all behave ourselves like the born-again people we claim the Lord Jesus has made us and stay busy for Him, the BGCT’s future is utterly outstanding—no doubt about it! There definitely are new things to learn about reaching the kinds of people our churches haven’t “fished for” during their existence; no problem, it can be done.

    Who wouldn’t want to interact regularly with a guy holding a perspective like that?! ;-]

    Thanks again, John. And, whoever IS reading these postings: it’s time you let us know about it! We are Texas Baptists.

  12. James VanDyke Says:

    Maybe the convention should consider conducting the “business meeting” parts virtually. Allow everyone to vote and submit comments on a website over the course of two or three weeks.

    Then, consider having the time where Texas Baptists gather be more of an inspirational or relational time. You could even have a TED type format where you bring people in that will challenge the way you think and spark conversations.

    There are plenty of conferences for pastors and other interested parties to attend already so don’t make the mistake of trying to copy what’s available already.

  13. David Troublefield Says:

    Another example:

    I began interacting with Wayne Shuffield about evangelism-related matters in 2006 due to concern for the condition of BGCT congregations and their baptism rates, and composed/compiled a survey responded to by DOMs and Baptist evangelists in the state in 2007. Wayne requested use of the survey’s results (one of two printed handouts distributed, as I recall) for an evangelism-related meeting in Dallas that he hosted for a small group of church and convention staff members during the summer of 2007, along with Jon Randles—who was new to his current position as evangelism director. A year later, in 2008, interactions with Jon resulted in two articles written about evangelism via small groups, which were to be made available during the winter/spring of this year via BGCT state-wide evangelism rallies and online at the convention’s website (writing actually completed late at night—using the top of a chest of drawers in my room at Glorieta as a desk!—during Sunday School Week, seven weeks after getting the assignment; two months before, in May, I offered to write the articles for Jon for free over lunch in Dallas as a way to be of assistance for evangelism, but Jon insisted on using money which would be available as the convention’s then-vacant Church Evangelism Specialist position wouldn’t be filled during the remaining months of 2008—he would pay $2000 for the articles [eventually was paid $1500, seven months after completion, in 2009—and a Specialist was hired after all, two months after the articles were submitted, in September 2008]).

    Anyone could have helped, and the articles are what they are (lengthy and complicated, at 6300 words!), along with the survey; but, again, the convention probably needs members of its affiliating congregations more than those congregations need the formal convention. So, leaders of Texas Baptists listening to Texas Baptists invited to share insights/feedback with them sounds like a really good idea–congratulations, then, to those leaders seeking input regarding future annual meetings. It helps us move forward.

  14. Tim Dahl Says:

    David,

    I’m sorry for sounding curt. I have excuses..but then, so does everyone else.

    John,

    Thanks for reminding us that the world is listening, even on the BGCT blog.

    Now, for some more concrete proposals.

    1) I like the idea of James VanDyke, though I don’t know if it really needs to go over a 3 week period of time. Perhaps giving access to all things being voted on, via mail or internet, then allowing a business week for everyone to vote.

    2) Start the convention on a Friday, and end on a Sunday. I know some preachers think that their church won’t survive w/out them, but trust me, they can miss one Sunday. Oh, and don’t let Texas Football stop you. Less people are attending those things, and the ones that don’t attend, don’t attend the annual convention now anyway. People would be more willing to take a Friday off, than a Monday and Tuesday.

    3) One thing that has been done well in the past, is the break out sessions. Please don’t stop those. Those are the real reasons I show up.

    4) Make sure adequate child care is available. Some of us younger fathers are bringing our families. It means more to us to be a husband//father, than it does to be a preacher. Over-identification with our vocation is the sin of our fathers, and we want nothing to do with it. Make it accessible for my whole family, and you’ve a better chance of keeping me plugged in. (By the way, we’re bringing our 22mo old this year. If you hear crying, it is my son.) Anyone who grew up w/out a father, or an absentee father can understand this.

    5) Host the convention in smaller towns. I.e., lets take it to San Marcos, Victoria, Waco, Kennedy, Tyler, then back to Lubbock. Houston, El Paso, Ft Worth/Dallas is killing us because they are so expensive.

    6) Come up with something to sell people on the institutions the BGCT supports. Don’t assume that we will, nor that we should care. I’m a graduate from two of our fine Baptist institutions, and I’ve got the massive student loans to prove it. It looks like my own children won’t be able to attend my alma mater(s) because of the prohibitive cost. Why should we care about Baptist institutions that aren’t accessible to us?

    Well, I guess that is enough for now. I apologize for any misspellings.

    Tim

  15. wackypreacher Says:

    Was in a recent meeting within my Association and among the pastor’s setting around the table, I was the only one planning on going to the convention. Most didn’t want to make the drive to Houston and deal with the high cost of the event. I know of no other pastor in the Abilene Association going to convention.

    That speads volumes. Many of them did make the drive up to Amarillo several years back. Several said they just didnt’ want to fight traffic and deal with the high cost of Houston. Hello, yall listening!!

    I agree with the previous post, have the conventions in smaller towns and maybe make them more central within the state. Abilene is a great convention town. Only problem is that it only has one airline provider and can be expensive. But then not many pastors or convention attendees that I am aware of fly in.

    The Baptist Universities are great places to host conventions. Would get the college students a nice picture of what Texas Baptist are all about. Could do satelite feed throughout the state. Just a thought.

  16. doug Says:

    WOW!!! I am a little late to the discussion but now that is over someone tell me quick where any of you guys selected to be on the new comittee?? Here may be the better question has anyone even contacted any of ya’ll to handle your ideas because there have been some good stuff floated here. Maybe this is the problem listening sessions blog spots and reply boards that are NEVER listened to

    Oh well just the ramblings of a mechanic/pastor

  17. John Says:

    Here are the committee members who were announced yesterday during the Annual Meeting:

    Kyle Henderson, pastor of First Baptist Church, Athens
    Paul Kenley, pastor Grace Fellowship, Lampasas
    Jesse Rincones, pastor Alliance, Lubbock
    Mike McKinney, pastor Dallas County Cowboy Church
    Ernest Dagahoy, pastor First Philippine, Houston
    Oscar Epps, pastor Community Baptist Church, DeSoto
    Dub Oliver, ETBU president
    James Stone, HSU
    Sharon Felton, FBC Hamilton
    LeAnn Luedeker, Jersey Village BC, Houston
    Gary Singleton, pastor The Heights BC, Richardson

  18. David Troublefield Says:

    The attendance in Houston was small, but to me it was worth the 798-mile drive from Wichita Falls. This year, instead of sitting-and-soaking as usual, I stood and worked—as a Texas Baptist Men Security Crew Member (a missions pastor can’t just recruit others all the time—sometimes, he has to put on the safety orange vest and the two-way radio, and walk a beat all day; next year, maybe several of our senior pastors will give it a try!).

    Some of the cool sights and sounds for me on Monday and Tuesday: (1) Associate Executive Director Steve Vernon, in coat and tie, himself moving stacks of chairs with a hand truck—and turning down offers of help—because participants outnumbered seats during the G5 Conference on Tuesday afternoon; (2) interesting insights about some of the inner-workings of the Convention’s business shared by long-time BGCT trustee board member and Harris County constable/TBM volunteer Steven Chun (being as how the average member of the average BGCT-affiliating congregation seldom hears from the elected trustees about anything they do representing us); (3) observing many of the convention’s paid staff members making a point, in the hallways and conference rooms, to interact with the laymen and women who pay their salaries via their CP contributions; (4) a large number of exhibit booths representing a huge variety of ministries and worked by folks excited to tell passersby what they do for the Lord, and why—and inviting them to help; (5) catching up with others not seen for many years; (6) no controversies to speak of; (7) the feeling of family throughout the place, but realzinging there are no cousins in Christ and so the feeling was that of brothers and sisters in the Lord, instead, cooperating for evangelism and discipleship, even if we had to go our separate ways across Texas again to make it happen some more as discussed.

    See everybody in McAllen next year, the Lord willing!

  19. David Troublefield Says:

    A related question: “How many brand-new but never-driven Cadillacs has your local church corporately purchased and parked in its driveway?”

    Answer: Essentially, as many as it has allowed years to pass without requesting CP-given funds offered back to that local church by the BGCT’s paid staff for the working of the congregation’s plans for evangelism and discipleship in its community and the world.

    Most Texas Baptist churches, it seems to me, have “a driveway full of brand-new but never-driven Cadillacs”—and most of those congregations will buy another one next year, to “park behind all the others already sitting there.” Instead, while giving the Cooperative Program dollars the congregation has decided to contribute to the BGCT/SBC, that local church also should request some of that money back from the Convention’s various departments by way of the established channels in order to carry out locally the ministries the congregation has planned and is working in its community (if the BGCT’s paid staff provided specific info to local churches about how that can happen, it would be helpful; surely, it is some Convention staff member/s’ job to do that—not to “drive the Cadillacs churches purchase, but to show congregations how they can drive them” themselves).

    Church leaders: The resources already are paid for; put them to work for the good of the community and congregation, instead of “parking them in the driveway.”

  20. doug Says:

    Wow!! David what a novel idea the churches being important for receiving back monies instead of just supporting the giant. I seem to remember a time that the BGCT was upset that they were having trouble getting Texas funds returned from the SBC, so ministries could be funded in Texas. That seemed to cause hard feelings, so now will our churches have to go through that same process to receive funding or services from the gaint. Sooner or later ministries will have to trump status quo. It may be when our churches finally do the ministries and fund themselves and the gaint may struggle – oh wait that is happening. How much further do we go down these crazy roads that the last 2 decades have shown us only disrupt the cause of Christ.

  21. doug Says:

    Hey that idea of moving to smaller towns is great. We have whittled attendance down to a managable size so tht is possible. I have offered to host the annual meeting in Laguna Park our sanctuary will hold 260 crowded so this should be fine in 2011. All 3 of the remaining ministries will fit in the foyer. And Tim we have room for 12 breakout sessions maybe we could have one on how a convention could retain relevance in a real world.

  22. John Says:

    David, I completely understand what you are saying. Convention staff members are here to help congregations across the state do whatever God is calling them to do. Sometimes that means helping with training. Sometimes it mean assisting with materials. Other times — like when growing a hunger ministry or starting a church — financial assistance may be the most help. As I talk to convention staff members, they’re seeking to help Texas Baptists in any way they can.

    And much of the assistance is completely free to a church.

    So what’s the simplest way to contact the convention for help? 888-244-9400 is the main toll free number. The great folks upstairs should be able to connect you with what you need.

    If you’d like to contact the convention via e-mail first, I don’t mind being the conduit. Drop me a line at John.Hall@texasbaptists.org. I’m more than happy to connect you with a resource that will help your congregation make a larger impact for the kingdom.

  23. David Troublefield Says:

    John:

    It’s not a message I need (anymore) but one that Baptist churches (and DOMs?) across the state seem really to need.

    I traveled to Venezuela and New England during Summer 2009 with Steve Seaberry (Texas Partnerships director) to investigate short-term partnership possibilities with new churches in those locations (Steve’s office paid for the travel costs; have commitments from Steve for further funding in 2010 for the partnerships now established). Our youth minister and I met with BGCT staff in the Valley in May 2009 to discuss missions partnerships there (set now for 2010). I’ve had David Bowman (Service Area 9 Congregational Strategist), Mateo Rendon (Service Area 9 Church Starter), and Dickie Dunn (BGCT Discipleship Specialist) speak to our LifeCare/Sunday School leaders during their meetings so far this year (John, you’re next—so, brush-up on your speaking skills!). I attend almost all BGCT annual meetings and a few besides, interact fairly frequently with other anyone in the Baptist Building who’ll return an email, express my opinions to department managers there, and on occasion get asked to help some way or another. I’ve counseled a prominent Wichita Falls minister considering moving his congregation to the SBTC not to make a move without first consulting face-to-face with the highest paid BGCT staff member he can sit down with to have his questions answered. I’m doing about all I can to help the staff stay employed!

    But others posting here—they seem to need the message: “Contribute to the BGCT via CP funds, then request a return of some of those funds through appropriate channels for the evangelistic/discipling ministries being done/planned at home and away.” Again, they’re resources/resource people already paid for; so, use them.

    Hang in there, brother!

  24. Robert Says:

    I for one am always attracted to the exhibits and what the different divisions have to offer in terms of research and experience, strategy and tactics, devotion and discipleship. This year I was moved by George Masons call for unity in Christ for even those who were not so like me in their introduction and training. But then maybe I am just easy. I think important aspects of the convention as it is are the Exhibit Hall experience, the Break out sessions, and the overall sense of fellowship. I think the Exhibit Hall Experience and Breakout sessions might be adapted to a more regional perhaps quarterely caravan type encounter, while some of the fellowship and business might be realizable and doable through some form of satellite and or internet teleconferencing at appropriately equipped churches available for such gatheriings on more or less micro-macro formats as needed. The two special “conversations” at the end were exciting and informative and need to be developed into our future. I only wonder what it is you are teaching the under thirty five crowd and hope they will be prepared to come visit and preach to me in my retirement at some nursing home or another as may be needed.

  25. John D Says:

    I read the discussion about the convention with interest. Low attendance may not really mean low interest. It could indicate that we now serve fewer churches. Fewer churches produce less monies for CP.

    Do we need to market CP? In Jill Larsen’s address to the convention she indicated that churches give “to CP.” Actually we give through tthe CP in order to accomplish more for the Kingdom. Evidently Larsen does not understand the function of CP and the realtionship of the churches to the convention.

    I wonder if the BGCT leadership really has a clue of what to do or the resources to launch a program. Funding levels of 38 million through CP does not provide enough monies to acccomplish the work. Charles Wade discovered this as did Ken Hall as BGCT president. We launched the President’s council and turned pastor’s into fund raisers and sent them across the state, church to church.

    It would be interesting to see if those serving on BGCT committee’s are really good Churchmen? Do they attend their churches? Have we not spoken against alcohol strongly because we are served by those who have no conviction in this area? It is intersting to note that the women in ministry materials were pulled from the web. Why? BGCT now trying to appear more conservative?

    TBC is alive and well. It would seem that board members serve BGCT as COO, Chairman of Exec. Board…..hmmm. Future focus? yes the agenda is alive and well. How long until Everett is retired? Now that is the real question of the day.

  26. David Troublefield Says:

    A reminder: The very existence of the BGCT—and the SBC and local Baptist associations—and the positions of their paid staffs cannot even be justified, much less funded, if at least a good majority of affiliating congregations are intentionally working strategic evangelistic ministries at home; it is those congregations which will realize/remember the need for the local association and state/national level conventions.

    Is anyone giving THAT kind of vocal leadership either to their local churches OR directed at them? Maybe someone is and the message simply is very public. I have said it before: the content of paragraph #1 above is the first job of anyone—from custodian to executive director—being paid a paycheck imprinted “Baptist General Convention of Texas” (or new logo). I think that I can honestly say that churches in our area hears way too seldom from all the necessary folks in the Baptist Building (paid or volunteer) AND way too few of those congregations probably contact the BGCT’s staff for any kind of assistance (and do not think for A MINUTE that it is any different over in the other state Baptist convention—there is NO WAY that it is).

    Let’s all get busy, folks! The Lord Jesus and our communities deserve. Elected leaders: either lead or get out of the way for people who will!

  27. David Troublefield Says:

    Correction: “. . . is NOT very public . . .” and “. . . in our area HEAR way too seldom . . .” and “. . . deserve IT . . .” (Saturday night football on TV!)

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